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7 Foods So Unsafe Even Farmers Won't Eat Them

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Because potatoes are considered the nation's most popular vegetable, producing a healthy crop is essential to keep up with demand. In order to maintain their health, the article exposes the scary fact that "they're treated with fungicides during the growing season, then sprayed with herbicides to kill off the fibrous vines before harvesting. After they're dug up, the potatoes are treated yet again to prevent them from sprouting."

But here's the scary thing, Moyer says that he's talked to potato growers "who say point-blank they would never eat the potatoes they sell. They have separate plots where they grow potatoes for themselves without all the chemicals."

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nearing

3.MICROWAVE POPCORN

Gross!

  • 10 votes
#1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:02 AM EDT
ffeineandsugar

A lot of this is just plain common sense. My kids ask me to make popcorn on the stovetop - they like it better than the nuked stuff. And in this market, it's now easier to get milk without Rbgh than with it - Maryland isn't letting that attempt to keep farmers from labeling it that way fly, and the consumer voice is pretty strong here (and our local farmers don't like Mastitis!).

I'm getting most of my produce from organic sources, including one of our local CSAs, and also from the urban agriculture site that I'm working for this summer (writing curriculum). Check us out if you're in the Baltimore area! If you aren't, but live in a big city, look for one - or contact me if need be - I've created a database with over 55 different urban agriculture sites across the country, and I bet I've got one in a city near you. You CAN farm in the big city. Or if you want, DIY. Grow a garden. If you're concerned, have your soil tested - remediation is not too expensive, and in the worst case scenario, you can always do raised beds or container gardening.

All this reminds me: I need to check on the fennel after last night's storms. Toodles! -k/ff

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:53 AM EDT
Perry O

You can make your own microwave popcorn using brown paper bags.
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/alton-brown/plain-brown-popper-recipe/index.html

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:53 AM EDT
McSpocky

My wife loves popcorn, but luckily, air popped popcorn is the only kind that doesn't make her sick. We don't know why, but at least she hasn't been eating microwave popcorn.

This is an excellent article, I'm going to save a copy of it in fact. Great find.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:17 PM EDT
Shannoscubie

air popped popcorn is the only kind that doesn't make her sick.

It's the oil, I think. Does the same to me. Movie theater popcorn is the worst.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT
McSpocky

Shannoscubie

air popped popcorn is the only kind that doesn't make her sick.

It's the oil, I think. Does the same to me. Movie theater popcorn is the worst.

Same thing with my wife, movie theater popcorn is the worst.

NEARING, I also clipped it to my column, and a few more groups.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT
dcstone01

My jar of popcorn is next to the air popper as we speak...

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
Shannoscubie

Hey, look...you can make your own!

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
cookin mama

anyone watch Food Inc. ?

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:48 PM EDT
SuperSaiyan

Good article...

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:38 PM EDT
Pamela Drew

ffeineandsugar...If you aren't, but live in a big city, look for one - or contact me if need be - I've created a database with over 55 different urban agriculture sites across the country, and I bet I've got one in a city near you.

Good for you!! Also check with Local Harvest who register small farmers and CSA's nationwide and have a database that can be searched by zip code and distance or product. Buy local, eat well!

  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
McSpocky

You made a typo in the link, it doesn't work... (you had .ore instead of .org)
http://www.localharvest.org/

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:05 AM EDT
nearing

Buy local, eat well!

Woot!!

  • 6 votes
#1.12 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:32 AM EDT
TestAnxiety

Just the "smell" (fumes) of microwave popcorn are a health issue. Not counting the fact that it smells gross, it's actually contaminated.

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:17 AM EDT
AdipicAcid

By the exact same chemical (diacetyl) that gives butter its flavor and English Ales their distinctive finish. There is no chemical difference between "natural" and "artificial" diacetyl, so you'd best avoid butter and beer as well.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:12 AM EDT
Pamela Drew

#1.14....AdipicAcid....There is no chemical difference between "natural" and "artificial" diacetyl, so you'd best avoid butter and beer as well.

Can point me to any study data that tells us diacetyl is safe and at what levels? Is there a source that explains how synthesized diacetyl is derrived?

Scorecard lists many forms of diacetyl and it is unclear if any are relevant but interesting to note not a single, blessed one of them has had safety testing!! Please let me know which of the list applies to the diacetyl we are discussing or where to locate this different "safe" form if it isn't.

Simply because a substance is "natural" does not mean it is safe to consume. There's a whole lot of "natural" stuff that will kill you and even safe substances we have a maximum dose. A few years ago that lesson was reported by The Denver Post with microwave popcorn!

Wayne Watson never figured his two-bag-a-day habit of his favorite store-brand extra-buttery popcorn was something that would harm him, but every day over the past decade — sometimes 3 bags a day — it has been doing just that.

"I never eat out, never went to fast-food restaurants but I popped popcorn," the 52-year-old sofa salesman said Wednesday from his living room, chuckling along with his wife, Mary. "And I popped a lot of it!"

Watson can laugh now that his "15 minutes of fame" has come as the result of eating too much popcorn. His lung capacity, which deteriorated to about 50 percent while he was popping corn, has stabilized and improved to about 75 percent since a doctor at National Jewish Medical and Research Center pinpointed the cause of his condition, broncheolitis obliterans. Or as it has come be known: "popcorn lung."

However, the microwaveable popcorn industry isn't laughing. Three manufacturers responsible for most of the products sold in the United States said on Wednesday they would stop using diacetyl — the chemical tentatively associated with Watson's damaged lungs - as soon as possible.

ConAgra Foods Inc., General Mills Inc. and the American Pop Corn Company will change their recipes, the Associated Press reported, because of consumer safety concerns brought up by Watson's case. The three companies sell Orville Redenbacher, Act II, Pop Secret and Jolly Time microwave popcorn.

Maybe the doctors and agri-giants could use your safety data for diacetyl-popcorn lung too!

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:10 PM EDT
D DeMilo

Pamela - although diacetyl is used in the manufacture of margerine and butter substitutes, it is not present in true butter.

butter contains;

Fatty acid
Structure
% total fatty acid in butter

oleic acid
CH3(CH2)7CH=CH(CH2)7COOH
31.9

myristic acid
CH3(CH2)12COOH
19.8

palmitic acid
CH3(CH2)14COOH
15.2

stearic acid
CH3(CH2)16COOH
14.9

lauric acid
CH3(CH2)10COOH
5.8

butyric acid
CH3CH2CH2COOH
2.9

caproic acid
CH3(CH2)4COOH
1.9

capric acid
CH3(CH2)8COOH
1.6

caprylic acid
CH3(CH2)6COOH
0.8

linoleic acid
CH3(CH2)4CH=CHCH2CH=CH(CH2)7COOH
0.2

linolenic acid
CH3CH2CH=CHCH2CH=CHCH2CH=CH(CH2)7COOH
0.1

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:31 PM EDT
AdipicAcid

Yes, Pamela, diacetyl has no established safety level. You should cease using butter, and just about anything with yeast in it immediately, just to be safe. I mean, think of the untold risk you are taking until deep scientific analysis is done on these foods that have been with us since the dawn of civilization!

Oh, and diacetyl is most definitely in butter.

Diacetyl and acetoin are two compounds that give butter its characteristic taste. Because of this, manufacturers of margarines or similar oil-based products typically add diacetyl and acetoin (along with beta carotene for the yellow color) to make the final product butter-flavored, because it would otherwise be relatively tasteless.[2]

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:12 PM EDT
ffeineandsugar

Interesting: From the same Wikipedia article you cited:

The United States National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health has suggested that diacetyl, when used in artificial butter flavoring (as used in many consumer foods), may be hazardous when heated and inhaled over a long period.

Workers in several factories that manufacture artificial butter flavoring have been diagnosed with bronchiolitis obliterans, a rare and serious disease of the lungs. The cases found have been mainly in young, healthy, non-smoking males. There are no known cures for bronchiolitis obliterans except for lung transplantation.

While several authorities have called the disease "Popcorn Worker's Lung," a more accurate term suggested by other doctors may be more appropriate, since the disease can occur in any industry working with diacetyl: diacetyl-induced bronchiolitis obliterans.

Now the article does go on to say that the EU has found no problems with the use of this as a flavoring agent. The question is two-fold. Some people do not want artificially created chemicals in their food, no matter what the safety tolerances. And is it morally proper to support buying a product that has been shown to harm the workers that manufacture it? I can't answer those questions for anyone - it's your call. Meanwhile, I have several pages more of writing to crank out, so enough of the distractions for the next few hours....

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:34 PM EDT
AdipicAcid

Some people do not want artificially created chemicals in their food, no matter what the safety tolerances.

These same people did badly in science class. Why is it that I need to respect their opinions while being harsh to the climate change skeptics? Antiscience is antiscience.

    #1.19 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
    ffeineandsugar

    I think we disagree on this one. The way science is reported nowadays, it gets "spun" just as the news gets spun: whose data set is more in vogue?

    I have a major project due this week, so forgive me if this is my last response for now. But I look forward to continuing this debate at a future time.

    And BTW, I did very well in science class (especially physics), thank you kindly.

    • 2 votes
    #1.20 - Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:09 AM EDT
    Pamela Drew

    These same people did badly in science class. Why is it that I need to respect their opinions

    AdipicAcid....Antiscience is antiscience.

    You don't need to be a science guru to see that hollow claims are empty no matter what the topic is. Where's the science? Why claim to stand on scientific facts and never give up scientific details?

    The tired refrain of how industry skeptics and critics are ignorant and anti-science does not address the question of safety or anything else?

    I asked to see how synthetic diacetyl is made and data showing it is safe. How hard is that?

    It isn't anti-science to question, questioning is the basis for all scientific discovery. Folks who purport to have all the answers and certainty with limited knowledge are anti-science and undermining questioning as the cornerstone of scientific learning. Show me the studies!

    • 4 votes
    #1.21 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT
    AdipicAcid

    OK, Pamela, please explain how the chemistry and safety of synthetic diacetyl differs from the kind made during brewing. The problem is not the chemical but the means of exposure: artificial butter flavor is safe to eat, but inhaling large amounts of diacetyl fumes does seem to promote lung damage in some studies. Others were negative.

    And here's the report from the NIH that says as much. Warning: it's a long PDF.

    • 3 votes
    #1.22 - Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
    Pamela Drew

    Thanks for the pdf AdpicAcid, that's helpful to add some science to the discussion.

    AdipicAcid....The problem is not the chemical but the means of exposure: artificial butter flavor is safe to eat, but inhaling large amounts of diacetyl fumes does seem to promote lung damage in some studies. Others were negative.

    For openers it does NOT say this is safe, it says limited studies have been done. Lack of testing for harm does not automatically mean safety is assured, npr that we can assume the process has no effect on the product.

    NIH.... To date, limited toxicological studies are available for artificial butter flavoring and its constituents.

    Since butter flavoring mixtures consist of more than 100 different chemicals, the most prominent being diacetyl and acetoin, the UFCW also recommends that the flavoring mixture as a whole be tested and that the National Toxicology Program (NTP)

    Inhalation studies in male rats showed that exposure to vapors from artificial butter flavoring caused necrosis of nasal and airway epithelium. Necrotizing bronchitis was observed in the lung, and necrosuppurative rhinitis and inflammation were seen at all nasal levels.

    Toxicological Data

    No short-term/subchronic or chronic inhalation studies were available for artificial butter flavorings,

    diacetyl, or acetoin. Additionally, data regarding initiation/promotion, anticarcinogenicity, and

    immunotoxicity were not found.

    The conclusion was that inhalation was unsafe at any level, which does not mean it is the ONLY risk. As for its naturally occurring status as any indicator of safety, the list of other sources of exposure hardly screams good for you!

    Sources of diacetyl in ambient air to which the general population may be exposed include:

    • Exhaust emissions from combustion of petroleum-derived fuels in diesel-, gasoline-, and

    jet-fuel-powered engines (Schauer et al., 1999b, 2002b [PMID:11944666]; Spicer et al.,

    1992).

    • Fine airborne particulate matter such as that sampled in a California roadway tunnel (Rao

    et al., 2001; PMID:11417634).

    • Cigarette smoke (Fujioka and Shibamoto, 2006; PMID:16463255)

    • As a secondary air pollutant resulting from photooxidation of the common gasoline

    aromatics toluene, xylenes, and ethylbenzene and of methyl-substituted aromatic

    hydrocarbons reacting with nitrogen oxides (NTP, 1994)

    • Volatilization of diacetyl-containing aqueous and solid livestock wastes (NTP, 1994)

    • Moldy buildings (Wilkins et al., 1997)

    When tested for effects unrelated to inhalation, but based on consumption, eating does show risks in the feeding trials. Maybe you should read the whole report before claiming it determines safety!

    Daily oral administration of diacetyl (10, 30, 90, or 540 mg/kg [0.12, 0.35, 1.0, or 6.27

    mmol/kg]) for 90 days to rats produced decreased weight gain, increased water consumption,

    anemia, increased leukocyte count, and increased weights of the liver, kidney, adrenal gland, and

    pituitary gland. Necrosis in the stomach was also observed [NOEL = 90 mg/kg] (HSDB, 2002).

    Diacetyl

    In several bacterial assays, diacetyl generally showed mutagenic activity in Salmonella

    typhimurium strains TA100, 102, and 104 with and without metabolic activation but none against

    strain TA98. Conflicting results were obtained in Escherichia coli strain WP2 uvra, but

    nonmutagenicity was demonstrated in the SOS-chromotest using E. coli PQ37. Diacetyl was

    also negative in a micronucleus test using mouse bone marrow cells (CCRIS, 1995; NTP, 1994).

    Diacetyl induced sister chromatid exchanges (SCEs) in Chinese hamster ovary (CHO) AUXB1

    cells and unscheduled DNA synthesis in various organs of laboratory animals, such as the rat

    stomach mucosa (HSDB, 2002; NTP, 1994).

    • 4 votes
    #1.23 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM EDT
    AdipicAcid

    Again, Pamela: the same levels of diacetyl are in most English Ales, butter, and Chardonnay. Do you also call for a ban on their consumption?

    From the executive summary of the study:

    Diacetyl is naturally found in foods and is also used as a synthetic flavoring agent and an aroma carrier in foods, including butter, caramel, vinegar, dairy products, and coffee. Acetoin is used as a fragrance carrier and in the preparation of flavors and essences; it is found in many of the same foodstuffs as diacetyl (e.g., butter, corn, wine, and cocoa). In the United States, diacetyl and acetoin are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration as substances directly added to human food and are generally recognized as safe.

    Again, all of the toxicity concerns are with inhalation, or basic toxicological research with levels of the compound that normal people will never encounter. This is something like the problem with iodophor in brewing: it is a necessary sterilant but extreme care needs to be taken that the workers who receive regular exposure to it are protected. The trace amounts that make in to the finished product are for all intents and purposes harmless.

    You can't take simpleminded zero tolerance approaches toward food safety, and I would argue that you don't in reality: most dietary supplements have had even less testing than diacetyl, yet the natural and alternative medicine lobbies continue to prevent the FDA from engaging the same level of science on them that is present on Big Food and Big Pharma.

    Or to put it another way: bread is safe to eat, but inhaling large amounts of flour dust while working in a mill or bakery will lead to significant lung problems. The appropriate rational response is to put respiratory protection measures in place for the workers, not to condemn bread as an unsafe foodstuff.

    • 2 votes
    #1.24 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT
    Pamela Drew

    Again, Pamela: the same levels of diacetyl are in most English Ales, butter, and Chardonnay

    Nowhere does it say equivalent levels are naturally occurring and nowhere have you shown that the synthetic form and it's other chemical additives are equivalent to something that is naturally occurring in a food produced without additives. Salt is natural too, but by the time food processing is finished adding it there's way too much for a healthy diet. It isn't all or nothing so please spare me the ridiculous arguments suggesting we allow all forms or nothing at all.

    Again, all of the toxicity concerns are with inhalation, or basic toxicological research with levels of the compound that normal people will never encounter.

    Repeating yourself still will not make the statement true. Feeding studies cited above showed effects directly linked to consumption. Read all the pages of your NIH review and stop saying it is a risk from inhalation only when that is not what the feeding studies show.

    most dietary supplements have had even less testing than diacetyl, yet the natural and alternative medicine lobbies continue to prevent the FDA from engaging the same level of science on them that is present on Big Food and Big Pharma.

    Again, not true. The bulk of the supplement business is owned by big pharma and the "Natural" lobbying hasn't even been able to get Roundup Ready ingredients labeled so spare me the claims of regulatory restrictions. There was more oversight in MMS for BP than BigAg has at the FDA.

    If you have an example feel free to cite it and we'll weigh the merits, by itself the claim is baseless.

    Or to put it another way: bread is safe to eat, but inhaling large amounts of flour dust while working in a mill or bakery will lead to significant lung problems. The appropriate rational response is to put respiratory protection measures in place for the workers, not to condemn bread as an unsafe foodstuff.

    Great example but hardly appropriate to reflect what's happened in the case of diacetyl. It's more like the difference between workers exposed to excessive levels of asbestos on the job at much higher risk than consumers with a casual exposure. Note the fellow in the article linked was not a worker in a popcorn plant but a consumer of microwave popcorn.

    • 5 votes
    #1.25 - Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:49 PM EDT
    Reply
    Joanna Caroll

    Geez- last month it was the Dirty Dozen (fruits and vegetables), now this?! Chocolate may be the answer to a long, healthy life. But I think this list makes sense and all the bad products are avoidable with organic options so available.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:10 AM EDT
    nearing

    Organic chocolate!!

    I could live on that.

    • 8 votes
    #2.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:44 AM EDT
    Pamela Drew

    Joanna the Environmental Working Group does a dirty dozen list every year and the section for 2010 is linked, because they also have an easy to use shoppers guide to help make it easier for consumers!

    • 6 votes
    #2.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:58 PM EDT
    Joanna Caroll

    Pam, I bookmarked that page - a lot to read! However, I noticed the use of pyrethroids on fruits and vegetables, and I think pyrethrins are used in killing carpenter ants. While this toxin is produced from a flower, maybe a dandelion (I'm relying on bad memory here), it has to lead you to wonder, what the heck? On the up side, I see myself possibly losing weight.

    • 6 votes
    #2.3 - Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
    Decurion_505

    Joanna, pyrethroids are produced by plants like marigolds and mums as a defense against insect pests. Pyrethrin and its chemical cousins are not persistent agents, tending to break down in direct sunlight and air over just a matter of hours or days rather than days or weeks.

    • 2 votes
    #2.4 - Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:43 PM EDT
    Reply
    Marshall James

    yes I have heard from my vegetarian friends that potatoes and apples are the worst for you to eat if they are not organic.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:00 AM EDT
    D DeMilo

    the joy of living in a rural agricultural area. true organics are easy to come by, meats are without antibiotics and growth supliments. even have a source for fresh whole milk - right out of the teet the way nature intended. escaping the city was the best damned thing I ever did

    • 9 votes
    Reply#4 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:20 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    Ahhh, just rub it in why don't cha?...

    Well, seriously...I may not live in the country, but my hubby and I patronize our organic farmers market...there is one every day of the week in my part of town, through the summer and a big one that is all year round on Sundays...We love them...

    • 9 votes
    #4.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:29 AM EDT
    D DeMilo

    they're great, aren't they? I went to them when I lived in Dallas.

    :)

    • 7 votes
    #4.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:37 AM EDT
    Reply
    blazera

    Yeah...stopped after the first one. A lot of foods have hormones in them...just, naturally. A few micrograms in a full liter of tomatoes? That's one of the smallest amounts I ever heard.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:37 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    1. Canned Tomatoes

    2. Corn-Fed Beef

    3. Microwave Popcorn

    4. Conventionally Grown (Not Organic) Potatoes

    5. Farmed Salmon

    6. Milk Produced with Artificial Hormones

    7. Conventional Apples

    Well, I can understand the reasoning...

    Especially the tomatoes....last year there was a problem with 'canned' tomato products...(a very brief outline) a CEO in a company was using 'rotten' products and mixing it into batches to make more profit...of course the Feds got him and his went to trial for racketeering and bribery and now is in jail...his company I think went bankrupt, but not before the 'tainted' product was on the grocery store shelves with 'brand name' labels attached...caused quite a stir here in the Central Valley...here is a quick google of the

    I think I am not going to eat any more potatoes either...

    It all sounds disgusting, really....

    • 12 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:37 AM EDT
    Ben-1268009

    I can believe that about potatos. I have heard that the ones grown for potato chips have to get from the field to the manufacturer within only a few hours or they'll go soft like an old potato... a few hours... they ain't what they used to be, that's for sure.

    grapes... nothing gets more chemical treatments than grapes.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:57 AM EDT
    Student of Life

    But grapes have a less porous skin than potatoes, so there will be less absorption of the chemicals...

    • 5 votes
    #7.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:08 AM EDT
    dcstone01

    Because they are so many in a cluster, the chemicals are hard to wash off...

    When we lived in Napa Valley, My hubby's family owned land in the 'country', about 25 years ago, we were surrounded by the William Hill Winery and Vineyard (it wasn't there when our family moved in)...we got to watch them grade the land, to planting and irrigation, growing, pruning, spraying, and harvesting...I hated it...It was rolling hills before.

    We would try to make sure we weren't anywhere near the vineyard when it came to spraying time....

    The Hill's were nice people though...

    • 8 votes
    #7.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:16 AM EDT
    cookin mama

    also strawberries

    dc where is the link for the tomatoes

    • 5 votes
    #7.3 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:13 PM EDT
    dcstone01

    Editing error on my part, sorry...Click on the word CEO in the #6 comment...also an update in today's paper the 'gentleman' that is in jail is now trying to claim that all the evidence against him collected by the FBI was gotten without a legal warrant...

    Yeah right.

    • 7 votes
    #7.4 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:35 PM EDT
    cookin mama

    yes anything to save his sorry behind.

    • 5 votes
    #7.5 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:10 PM EDT
    Reply
    Student of Life

    I have one that didn't make the list, but definitely should've.

    M.R.E.

    Top two candidates?

    5 fingers of Death (hot dogs)

    Veggie Cheese Omelet.

    Gives me shivers just thinking about them...

    • 6 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:07 AM EDT
    Tony Wlliams

    Nearing

    You know I think the world of you but I really wish I hadn't read this. Why because when I get home I'm gonna through out about $200.00 worth of food we just purchased. I just tossed my steak an baked potato I was having for my lunch. My poor stomach did a double take when I read this. Junk food might be safer than apples really got me so in the meantime my lunch just got switched to a candy bar.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:57 AM EDT
    MarkD-555

    You could at least donate it.

    • 7 votes
    #9.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:53 AM EDT
    Tony Wlliams

    True but I'd feel like I was poisoning somebody :(

    • 7 votes
    #9.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:09 AM EDT
    nearing

    Tony:

    You know I think the world of you but I really wish I hadn't read this. Why because when I get home I'm gonna through out about $200.00 worth of food we just purchased.

    Aw, Tony, I am sorry. Kinda. I think I may have done you and your family a favor?

    • 6 votes
    #9.3 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:35 AM EDT
    Tony Wlliams

    You did but I was just starting lunch and was looking forward to it until I read the second paragraph and pushed my plate away. On a bright note we purchased all organic after I showed this to the wife.

    • 6 votes
    #9.4 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:06 AM EDT
    nearing

    On a bright note we purchased all organic after I showed this to the wife.

    yeay!

    bon appetite.

    • 6 votes
    #9.5 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT
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    Carolyn Johansen

    My parents grew their own potatoes for years. Now I know why the potatoes I buy a the store do not taste like the ones my dad grew. I may just stop eating store bought potatoes and stick to the ones at the farmers' markets.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#10 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:11 AM EDT
    Lisafrequency

    Maybe farmers ought to remember the golden rule.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#11 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:13 AM EDT
    rose-231178

    I planted a couple potato's last year as an experiment in an area I didn't use. Didn't see much. I decided to dig an herb garden this spring and I found a few good size potato's. Pulled them up/out and planted my herbs. I still have 3 potato plants mixed in.

    The potato's are doing great. I think the area is to sunny for most of the herbs and some of the flowers though they were said to do well in mostly sun.

    Still learning.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#12 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:22 AM EDT
    nearing

    funny how plant are with neighbors.

    • 6 votes
    #12.1 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:36 AM EDT
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    sushicat

    Well ,its back to local farmers and the smaller markets for the food now. I just read an article from Eating Well mag on freezing tomatoes. I am getting rid of all my canned ones now..

    • 8 votes
    Reply#13 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:17 AM EDT
    Megidoloan

    This may be a dumb question, but with regard to the apples, it seems like if you wash and peel them, they're safe? I'm asking because I LOVE apples, but I've always had difficulty digesting the skins, so I peel them before I eat them. I buy 98% of them from a local farmer's market, but sometimes I run out and have to get them from the supermarket (the farmer's market is only open Fridays and Saturdays), and I buy the non-organic ones because the organic ones are so bruised and soft. Does washing and peeling them get rid of most of the pesticides?

    • 6 votes
    Reply#14 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:19 AM EDT
    nearing

    I know how you feel. apples are my vice too.

    I guess the very best you can do is to always buy organic or do without.

    • 6 votes
    #14.1 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:37 AM EDT
    JoTigerlily

    From the article:

    The Solution: Buy organic apples where available or at least thoroughly wash and peel apples before eating them.

    It sounds like you're doing the best you can. :-)

    • 5 votes
    #14.2 - Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT
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    anti-corpocracy

    The American dream has literally become a nightmare, we are killing ourselves to live in this country as corporations get away with murder for profit fed by management greed and stock-market speculation. Is there no shame or honor in most businesses anymore in this country?

    It was bad enough for corporations to ship our jobs overseas, import cheaper toxic consumer goods back to us and now corporations are ever increasingly finding new innovative ways to poison our food, environment and our future in order to maximise profit while deceiving the public with slick media marketing campaigns portraying everything is just fine.

    Actually we can fight back. Send a message of no confdence by boycotting the corporations and products mentioned in the accompanying article. Tell everyone one you know to join in this fight. Refuse to invest in associated corporate stocks, stop purchasing tainted foods and hit these greedy criminals where it hurts the most; at their bottom line.

    In theory all it would take is for a significant percentage of Americans to band together and sustain a boycott of one food in particular, patatoes, apples or microwave popcorn and you would see rapid inovation to make the product safer to sell and consume instead of cheaper and toxic for higher profit at our expense.

    Or, we can just continue let corporates dictate our future consumer choices and bare the consequences individually as victims without any chance or hope of correcting the injustice. As a person we can not win, but, as a people or society we have a fighting chance. It comes down to whether we are worth fighting for each other or don't care if some of suffer or die by default. Which America are we or which United States have we become?

    America: home of the consumer slave, land of the cowardly profiteers...

    .. enjoy the future!

    • 6 votes
    Reply#15 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:31 AM EDT
    Nofluer

    Ha ha ha ha!!! They're just focusing on the altered "foods" and the stuff they're spraying on the stuff. A FAR LARGER (and more likely) danger to the food supply is the monocultures they've created. When the disease or bug with that crop's name on it comes along and is immune to their chemicals, it's "stand in line for your Soylent Green, citizen!"

    Creating a monoculture is FAR worse than having an apple with a worm in it.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#16 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:04 AM EDT
    ffeineandsugar

    Are we talking about the return of wheat rust? (Pass me more of 'dem there Algae Chips!)

    • 6 votes
    #16.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:39 AM EDT
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    Vlad's dog

    Right now food chains are adding local produce and I am glad to see that, I usually eat local stuff and I eat what is in season. Eatting in season is a good way to avoid some of the problem foods.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#17 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:34 AM EDT
    Dr Know

    A big part of the problem is the consumer's demand for "perfect" produce. Anyone that grows a garden will tell you that without the chemicals your produce will be all size, shapes and colors. Some will be a little misshapen.

    Look at the produce in the stores now. All the same size, all the same color. Tomatoes are all picked green then ripened by ethylene gas. Color great, taste crap.

    If you buy organic you will notice the great variety in the same crop.

    • 11 votes
    Reply#18 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:04 AM EDT
    Kuromi

    The same can be said about a woman, I can take this same sentence and aim it toward those glossy magazines as a jab!

    • 2 votes
    #18.1 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
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    littlemuscle

    I am a personal trainer, and I have always said, and will say, the perfect diet is that which has the least handling of us, people. Plant it and grow it, let it do what it naturally does (cows and grass, etc.).

    • 7 votes
    Reply#19 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:12 AM EDT
    nearing

    excellently said

    • 6 votes
    #19.1 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:38 AM EDT
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    AdipicAcid

    Interesting that the experts quoted aren't farmers in a majority of the cases, thus making the headline basically a troll. Too bad: there's a strong argument to be made here, but using sneaky tactics calls into question the reliability of the author. (This is in reference to the original author, not the seeder, just to be clear.)

    One small note however: without all of those pesticides and canning, it is quite likely that you would not be eating tomatoes, potatoes, or apples out of season at all, particularly if you are poor. Somehow we need to strike a happy medium.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#20 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:18 AM EDT
    littlemuscle

    Very True, point about the likelihood of people getting this into our diet without the convenience of it. I know this isn't a political seed, and apologize for quickly dipping into it here, but feel it is applicable. The health care reform like so many other proposed solutions to something rather it be government, business or even our personal life, attacks the problem but not the cause of the problem. I feel that we need to be looking at a way to not treat conditions (via increased insurance) but rather to prevent it, making things more affordable like healthy foods, natural foods, gym memberships, and rewarding a healthy lifestyle I think is crucial. Now again, my apologies for turning it into a little politics...just that I do agree with your statement about making things like this more affordable and in a way that is not harmful. Almost every one of the 7 caused Diabetes which is a leading health problem in this country. Research for better packaging, etc. Perhaps that is where some more money should go.

    • 2 votes
    #20.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT
    D DeMilo

    first, your dip into politics; I agree, however, imagine the the repercussions in this political climate. accusations comparing it to hitler youth etc. now back to topics; money isn't the problem, profit and consumer perception is. the packaging is available but costs more and we don't need to eat produce out of season that cannot be stored. that was a concept that was sold to us.

    • 6 votes
    #20.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
    AdipicAcid

    Perhaps you wish to return to gruel and bacon over the winter months, but not all of us do.

    • 4 votes
    #20.3 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:55 PM EDT
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    smith-2027029

    nice story. do you know who was the first person to take the credit for introducing the potatoes to ireland.{see ya}

      Reply#21 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT
      nearing

      um

      point?

      • 3 votes
      #21.1 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:39 AM EDT
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      dcstone01

      Let's also worry about 'fish'...

      Gentically engineered salmon could be on plates soon
      There is a list of 'altered'...GMO foods in the article...

      • 7 votes
      Reply#22 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:42 PM EDT
      littlereddog

      Speaking of fish, have you seen this video?

      You can by this fish at WalMart or your favorite seafood restaurant. Just look for the Made in Vietnam label. Bon Apetit!

      http://www.vimeo.com/11817894

      • 6 votes
      #22.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
      dcstone01

      "shudders"

      • 6 votes
      #22.2 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
      cookin mama

      i hate farm raised salmon yech. I grew up with the real deal every spring my dad would buy us some, mmmmmmmmmmmmm

      • 7 votes
      #22.3 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
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      tomwcraig

      BAH! Some of these foods, I don't eat because I don't care for them. However, I lived most of my life on my family's dairy farm and we had studies about the effects of rBST done on our cattle by Penn State University. I drank the RAW milk from those cattle for years before I stopped drinking milk on a regular basis. The milk tasted no different than whole milk found in the store, and I suffered no ill-effects from it. Also, there was no increase of udder infections while we used rBST. Also, we fed our cattle with a TMR (Total Mixed Ration) which is a mixture of grain, grass, custom mineral mix, corn silage, and occassionally haylage. The truth is that beef should be fed with a BALANCE of grain and grass to really benefit people.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#23 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT
      cookin mama

      Tom have you ever wondered if that is how you got your cancer?

      • 4 votes
      #23.1 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:51 PM EDT
      tomwcraig

      cookin mama,

      There is no scientific link between Ewing's Sarcoma and lifestyle choices. In fact, most research points that EVERYONE has the same chance of developing a Ewing's family tumor like I did. However, due to the fact that the Ewing's family of tumors are caused by chromosome 11 and 22 switching pieces of each other when cells divide; children and teenagers are the people at greatest risk since they are still growing. I was 29 when I was diagnosed with it, and I had stopped drinking milk regularly about 10 years before that.

      • 1 vote
      #23.2 - Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:12 PM EDT
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      Schaefer22Deleted
      Kuromi

      This is probably why I hate vegetables, they don't taste good because they are not naturally grown. I'm hearing all these stories about how sweet the vegetables are and I'm thinking yeah right they have no taste and do nothing for me!!! Now I know, avoid store produce and go straight to the local farmers markets.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#25 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
      Solidarity Nite

      ok first off whats with the headline? even farmers wont eat them? as if famers are willing to eat bad food in the first place?

      secondly I know plenty of real farmers. they cook with canned tomatoes. they eat potatoes from the same fields apples from the same trees and drink milk from the same cows they sell to customers. they eat there corn fed beef.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#26 - Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:13 PM EDT
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