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Barack Obama accused of selling out on Iraq by picking hawks to run his foreign policy

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Barack Obama has been accused of selling out his promises of change in US foreign policy by putting national security policy in the hands of establishment figures who supported the Iraq war.

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{"commentId":4172239,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

Contrary to what the right-wing media hate-monger's would have you believe, Obama is not and has never been a liberal.  He is a DLC Center Republican-lite, just like Hilary, perhaps standing just to her left.

So what did you expect?

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Reply#1 - Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:20 PM EST
{"commentId":4176000,"authorDomain":"kakael"}

of all the promises Obama made during his campaign the one i want most for him to keep is "his promise to always tell the truth to us american people"...i'd like for Obama to do a live national address on all the current issues ie...wars in iraq and afghanistan... our failing economy and financial crisis...the  patriot act and our impending Constitutional crisis...and i'd also like to hear and see direct communication with us american people and not through the insulation of the internet...this inquiring mind wants to know precisely "why" any further sacrifices and burdens of debt is necessary...and please spare me the normal verbage "it's for national security"...

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#1.1 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:04 AM EST
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{"commentId":4172287,"authorDomain":"greenarcher170"}

DLC Center Republican-lite? lol

And my garbage man is a Certified Sanitation Waste Engineer. Nearing please stay away from that rabbit hole <wink>.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:28 PM EST
{"commentId":4172310,"authorDomain":"philip-6"}

Nearing, I think your label maker is broken.

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  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:30 PM EST
{"commentId":4173594,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

bluearcher and PGonz

Yeah, a little redundant, huh? It's Saturday night, and I have had a few, so that's what happens.

;~P

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  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:19 AM EST
{"commentId":4174931,"authorDomain":"philip-6"}

Nearing, I don't mean to water down our tangy soup, but we are just getting rid of a president who was kind of like the Lee Harvey Oswald of the Oval Office; an empty man at loose ends who was easily manipulated, and could not have done anything else in his career but assassinate the presidency.  In contrast, Obama is a talented intellectual who could work solely for his personal gain and be successful at it.  But Barack has chosen to sacrifice quite a bit for what he believes is right and possible.

I've noticed over the years, especially when I've done organizational development, that someone who agrees to Ride the Greased Pig for the purpose of common good is going to be the target of snipers who pack their own cartidges with speculation.

Here's a suggestion for those who are unhappy with the neo-cons and the Democrats.  The weakness of the Grand Oil Party could just be a perfect opportunity for a third party to gain support.  Just a thought.  Thanks for listening.

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#3.2 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:04 AM EST
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{"commentId":4172440,"authorDomain":"danields"}

Several Presidential Historians have made the point that once a man (historically) enters the Oval Office and takes on the burden of the office, they are recreated whole cloth.

Will Rogers once declared that anyone seeking the Presidency was automatically disqualified for reason of insanity.

I tend to agree with both. :)

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  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:42 PM EST
{"commentId":4173586,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

Well, since he hasn't moved in to the WH yet, I should withhold criticism.  (which I have done, but it's been close these last few days...)

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  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:17 AM EST
{"commentId":4173639,"authorDomain":"danields"}

If you want an hoot, watch South Park episode "About last night ..."

:)

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#4.2 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:25 AM EST
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{"commentId":4174216,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

"Contrary to what the right-wing media hate-monger's would have you believe, Obama is not and has never been a liberal.  He is a DLC Center Republican-lite, just like Hilary, perhaps standing just to her left."

Ah, heck-- why not go all the way-- and call him a neo-con! To the right of George Bush..and Cheney...

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  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:23 AM EST
{"commentId":4178278,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

Neo-con defines the far right-wing.

Obama is not a neo-con. 

Let me help you, krishna.  Here is the spectrum:

Communists------Left---C  E  N  T  E  R---Right-------Neo-Con

-----------Kuchinich-------------------------------------

-----------------------------------Hilary----------------

---------------------------------------------------Cheney

-----------------------------Obama---------------------

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#5.1 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:44 PM EST
{"commentId":4178398,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

"Obama is not a neo-con"

LOL-- Of course he's no neo-con-- I am well aware of that. Its just that some of the spin lately is so absurd, it wouldn't surprise me that some of the nuttier self-appointed political "experts' would call him that!

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  • 4 votes
#5.2 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:59 PM EST
{"commentId":4178634,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

I have heard pundits say that he a radical left-winger.  Which is as equally absurd as them calling him a neo-con, imo.

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  • 2 votes
#5.3 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:31 PM EST
{"commentId":4181063,"authorDomain":"philip-6"}

nearing, here I am, not getting it again.  I see the word "communism" on your chart up there.  All those years of reading Marx and Che and Fidel just don't add up to the image of communism that people in America have these days.  And I have followed the speeches and interviews of Kucinich pretty closely, but I have never heard him talk about truly nationalizing industry and making people live on communes.  Not a hint.

Boy, when Ronald Reagan squeezed out that Red Scare, Fear-fortified toothpaste of his, the nasty taste just won't go away.  And we certainly can't get it back into the tube.

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#5.4 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:39 PM EST
{"commentId":4181401,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

"I have heard pundits say that he a radical left-winger.  Which is as equally absurd as them calling him a neo-con, imo."

Well, I've heard various people-- with various agendas-- call him all sorts of things-- but it seems to me its difficult to predict what any president-elect will do-- better to wait 'till he's actually been in office a while. From eveything I've read, I get the impression that he is a liberal Democrat-- not a neo-con or more tradition conservative-- but not particularly radical either. I could be wrong, but I would imagine that many of those on the left who have voted for him in hopes of major changes all around may well be disappointed. He certainly is not another George Bush-- but I think he may disappoint some of his more leftist supporters.

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  • 4 votes
#5.5 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:24 PM EST
{"commentId":4191077,"authorDomain":"nearing"}

PGonz:

And I have followed the speeches and interviews of Kucinich pretty closely, but I have never heard him talk about truly nationalizing industry and making people live on communes.  Not a hint.

Me neither, that's why he's not in the communist portion of the spectrum, but he is squarely in he left. 

(I would probably place myself very close to Kuchinich)

krishna:

many of those on the left who have voted for him in hopes of major changes all around may well be disappointed. He certainly is not another George Bush-- but I think he may disappoint some of his more leftist supporters.

Obviously, I agree with you there.

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  • 3 votes
#5.6 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:01 PM EST
{"commentId":4195198,"authorDomain":"krishna109"}

"I would imagine that many of those on the left who have voted for him in hopes of major changes all around may well be disappointed."

This just in: Obama's tax hike for the rich may be delayed:

"During his presidential campaign, Barack Obama promised to repeal President George W. Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy ahead of their scheduled expiration in 2011.

Over the weekend, Obama said he has charged his new economic team with devising a plan that would create or preserve 2.5 million jobs over two years. He said the plan would include broad spending plans as well as the middle- and low-income tax cuts he described during the campaign.

Aides later said the plan would not include any of the tax increases Obama, as a candidate, had said he would impose on taxpayers who make more than $250,000."

Change-- from his campaign promise.

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  • 1 vote
#5.7 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:54 AM EST
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{"commentId":4178214,"authorDomain":"onlywords-6"}

Now that PE Obama has been placed in the fishbowl of the presidency, it will be difficult to satisfy most of his supporters. PE Obama needs talented, experienced people around him. Most of these people know the game and will follow the quarterback's (Obama) game plan. Will they protest or contest certain decisions? Absolutely. That how you filter ideas into a plan of action.

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Reply#6 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:36 PM EST
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