
So now we know who's really responsible for $4 gas. Finger-pointers from Washington, the International Monetary Fund, and even Saudi Arabia no longer seem to buy the idea that the demand for oil around the world is simply growing faster than the supply, driving prices to record highs close to $140 per barrel. There must be a more nefarious reason, it seems. So now entering this drama is a villain everybody can hate: The Evil Speculator.
Some major misconceptions:
--Speculators are inherently bad for the economy.
--There's a Speculator Star Chamber somewhere.
--Speculators are super-rich market manipulator
--The government tracks speculators and knows who they are.
--Speculators are creating a huge bubble in oil.
--Speculators should be banned.
"There are pretty strong fundamentals behind this run-up," says Sarah Emerson, another analyst at Energy Security Analysis. Speculators may be pushing oil prices somewhat higher than they would otherwise be--but a bust similar to housing or tech stocks seems unlikely.
I see we're on the same wavelength.
nice article, though I don't believe the spin. Oil speculators ARE driving up the price of oil. There have been a number of articles about this, but here I'll refer to one that I recall from a few months ago.
Speculators can push any market around. But the trend in oil prices is going to be up, speculators or not. Yeah, they all may panic out, causing a temporary dip, but with China, India, and a bit later Africa all heading for oil addiction, the prices are going to stay up long-term. It's a limited resource. I doubt we'll ever see $1/gallon again.
I don't believe the spin. Oil speculators ARE driving up the price of oil.
I don't think pointing out the fundamentals is spin.
Investors are pushing the price up but their effect on the price is minimal compared with the basic premise of supply & demand and the under-reported fact of Peak Oil.
Think about it: 1.3 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians are just entering the auto/industrial/manufacturing age. Not only is auto usage skyrocketing, but use of petroleum products in all types of goods (just walk down the aisle at Wal-mart) is way up, too.
Stop outsourcing our jobs and the Indians won't have so much money. Stop buying anything marked made in China and we can have some input there also. Is there anything left to buy that doesn't say made in CHina? There are ways for the American public (the new poor)to have some say in this nefarious game of big money and greedy politicians.
Stop buying anything marked made in China
good luck with that.
Is there anything left to buy that doesn't say made in CHina?
no.
We don't manufacture here anymore. Big Business has seen to that. They used America for all she was worth and have abandoned her.
Nonetheless, there are niches that American entrepreneurs have filled, like specialty furniture, high-quality tech services, organic farmers, etc. Americans could buy American, but they largely have chosen to go for the low-priced (generally crappy) products made in China and sold by Wal-mart. They have voted with their wallets.
While it is hard to argue with people saving money, Americans can't shirk all responsibility for the loss of manufacturing. For example, an unholy alliance of union workers and auto industry managers saw to the loss of quality in American cars and ascendance of Japanese and other imports.
So why aren't we (The United States of America) seriously getting back into the oil biz again? Open up the off shore oil drilling rigs now so that in the 10 years that it is said to actually manifest oil onto the market we will have oil on the market in 10 years. In the mean time we can still continue to develop electric powered vehicles as well as solar, wind, and other power sources. The caribou in ANWAR have been multiplying rapidly by actually benefiting from the heat the oil pipeline puts out during the subzero winters.
Jack:
Open up the off shore oil drilling rigs now so that in the 10 years that it is said to actually manifest oil onto the market
The funny thing is, I heard that there are lots of wells already offshore just sitting there capped. The oil companies are sitting on them until the price goes up higher before they pump them.
The government isn't preventing them from pumping, they are just not doing it.
so I guess you have to take that up with Exxon.
Destroy Florida's beautiful beaches and ANWR, one of the last untouched wilderness areas on Earth -- for a couple year's worth of oil? No thanks. It the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), and there is a lot more there than caribou (birds/fowl/insects summer there; rare plant species; the endangered Dall Sheep; untouched mountain vistas; blue skies). Anwar (Sadat) was the Egyptian president who made peace with Israel.
Let me "reframe:" Why is driving everywhere, commuting 3 hours a day, road rage, stress, less time with family, pollution, global-warming, habitat destruction, etc., all so important? Why has the car become the center of our society? Would it be that awful for people to take a bus, ride a train, walk, bike, work from home, recycle, and buy locally-made products?
Another thing: People want to get mad about oil prices, but it is all their driving that is enriching Exxon-Mobil and the Saudis, and is helping to push up oil prices.
I think a lot of people would be happy to take public transportation. In San Francisco, which I just left, public transportation was good, not too expensive, and well used. The same can be said for certain transportation systems in LA, Chicago, Boston and New York.
But try getting from most suburbs to most urban work-places. Try moving around in Houston on public transportation.
Developing good public transportation has not been on the burner of either of the main two parties... and certainly doesn't seem to generate a lot of votes.
As for the car-owners who drive too much? Those who do have public transportation alternatives need to get on the stick.
I don't deny that some people, e.g., suburbanites, have limited options in some cities. But now's the time to start the change, before driving becomes so expensive that people get stranded, home prices fall, and cars end up being worth very little.
Communities can organize and influence how their tax dollars are spent -- e.g., in mass transit instead of another $50 million project to fix 10 miles of highway.
This is a nice idea but at this point, there's no money to spend. The community of which I am still a part in Northern California just cut 84 jobs from its high school which is already badly underfunded. The state took away money from fire-towers... within a month over 100M was wasted on a fire a person in a closed tower would have spotted when it was less than half an acre... The specific area will probably lose its hospital... The county cannot add new personal and is suffering a hiring freeze...
This is not unique to this area of California which, itself, is struggling to put together a viable budget (the governor, recently, proposed across the board cuts "to be fair").
While I agree that the feds still waste money, and I can give real examples happening last week, it doesn't change the equation--where there is no adequate public transportation--not just for suburbanites but also for people in large cities like Houston and many middle sized cities... people have no choice and there is nothing that is going to create a proper public transportation system anytime soon... even if politicians had such foresight.
OK. So there's no public transport in some places and you're saying there's no money to pay for it. Gas prices will probably keep going up. What's going to happen to these communities? If people can't afford to pay for driving, and can't get to their jobs, we're looking at a potential catastrophe. We may end up needing something like the Civilian Conservation Corps or TVA -- the whole country chipping in.
Absolutely. The Oilgarchy (Bush, Cheney, Rice, et al) encouraged us down this path... there will be no easy solution if we can even solve it at all.
One thing the U.S. could do is to insist that no new cars be sold that get less than amazingly good gas mileage--the kind that many cars in the EU currently get. (Not the big fancy cars that the heroes and villains have in movies, but the tiny cars that are very efficient on gasoline.)
No don't ban speculators - CONTROL speculators. Put limits on them, raise the down money - where can you put only 6-7% down on something. The casinos in Las Vegas and Atlantic City have more stringent rules than the commodities speculators. This lovely administration has deregulated our financial markets so much saying it would be good for the economy. Whose economy were they talking about. The committees who "advised" the treasury, sec, etc. consisted of the biggest offenders now. Companies like Bear Sterns, Goldman Sachs (head of our treasury), Morgan Stanley and so many more - sat around telling our "stupid" administration what would be good for business. The only people who have made money on this deregulated mess are some of the big money people. Who who is conspicuous is Goldman Sachs. No one talks about the billions of barrels of oil in Montana and North Dakota in the brakken area. No one mentions the billions of barrels found by the USGS in Baffin Bay Canada. WHY NOT!!!!
No one mentions the billions of barrels found by the USGS in Baffin Bay Canada. WHY NOT!!!!
Isn't that a little paranoid? Here's where we get our oil:
Here are the figures from the Department of Energy for the top six oil importers to the U.S. November, 2007, a typical month.
CANADA 1,919
SAUDI ARABIA 1,530
MEXICO 1,484
VENEZUELA 1,227
NIGERIA 1,215
IRAQ 508
ANGOLA 408
(thousands of barrels PER DAY)
nearing, you write that
I don't think pointing out the fundamentals is spin.
I wasn't being critical of you but I was critical of some things in the article. For example, take the first point the article cites:
Speculators are inherently bad for the economy. There's no doubt that speculators are out to make money, by buying a commodity like oil (or gold, or real estate) when they think the price is likely to rise and they'll be able to sell for a profit. But they also help sustain the market for buyers and sellers and provide ways for individuals and businesses to offset risks. Many companies, for instance, want to lock in the price they're going to pay down the road for petroleum products and other supplies they need to run their businesses. So they make agreements with suppliers on a price they'll pay next year, or the year after, when they actually take possession of the oil. Buying and selling such "futures contracts" makes these companies speculators by definition, since they're placing a bet on the future price of oil.
This is spin. Most of the people dealing on the commodity market are not institutions or people who ever expect to take delivery of the commodity in question.
If commodity trading was limited to those who were going to take delivery--for example, if the only purchers of commitities where those who would purchase a future and then they would not resell it but await delivery--that would make for an entirely different market and would take out those who trade commodity futures for short-term gain and do drive up the price.
That's what I meant by spin--stretching the truth (in the article).
Sure, there is peak oil, it's been discussed in the media for the past several years, and, yes, at some point--possibly already but there is serious debate about this--we've reached that point. And yes, the Chinese entering the market, as well as Indians, makes a huge difference.
But the story is much more complicated than that and there is give and take on these issues. I urge everyone who's been a partison in this discussion to check out one that has a less partison feel.
And don't forget about the falling dollar.
Id you take just that into account and compare buying gas in Euros or dollars, gas would only be $2 and some change right now.
You can forget about all of the other reasons for the increase of oil to the US.
And don't forget about the falling dollar.
There's a real confluence of events that's hurting peoples' wallets.
Remember that there's a lot of Mid East uncertainty priced into oil: Iran's nuclear ambitions, the uncertainty in Iraq, the political upheavals in Pakistan, Hezbollah's takeover of Lebanon...
This stuff scares the hell out of traders, leading to a "buy-it-now-before-something-happens" mentality.
The falling dollar is a reason--and partly too why speculators buy commodities like gold and oil.
But I am currently in an EU country and gas prices are rising here too, so it's not just the dollar.
Why not ban speculators? Why not say that anyone who purchases a future on oil cannot resell that future but has to take delivery?
If we in the US were to buying gas in euros instead of dollars it would cost the equivalent of $2 and some change.
We underestimate how much the falling dollar has contributed to the cost of gasoline!
Here's an interested read: European Gas Prices: And You Thought $3.50 Was A Lot...
Yes, interesting, but my comment takes in consideration the fact that we have been getting gas cheaply compared with the other Western countries all along. Still are.
It's about the falling Dollar to the Euro.
Yes, but I wanted to show people what Europeans are paying. They pay much higher gas taxes. So the difference in what we pay and what they pay is more than just the currency conversion.
agreed.
Yikes, where is the continued discussion? This is a substantial point!
So we stop letting people invest? What about gold, which is necessary to high-tech manufacturing, but traded on an open market? What about stocks, bonds, wheat, copper, silver, hogs, corn...? If someone wants to follow a trend up and profit from it, we'll start calling that illegal? Oil companies and traders aren't involved for just the fun of it. They're in it for the money, and they want a return on investment (finding, drilling for, and refining oil ain't cheap). Most of us are making a profit in some way or another. It's called working for a living.
We've already been down the price controls path, and that didn't pan out. We're still subsidizing (e.g., farmers), but one day someone's going to call in the marker on the billions being spent.
Why continue to let the price of oil control our lives? We've got to change at some point. Why not start now on the transition to viable alternatives like hydrogen, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, thermal, etc?
We put restrictions on futures trading in oil--like the one I suggested above (the futures cannot be re-sold but the buyer has to take delivery).
All markets are regulated--so either you want complete deregulation or we are talking about the different possible regulations.
As for letting oil prices control our lives--I agree we should be focusing, not only individually but in national public policy, on alternatives... which is not yet happening under the Oilgarchy.
In all fairness, I know it is frustrating for people to pay more and more for gas. I've already suggested alternatives, but if you feel like fighting the gas fight, here are some suggestions:
Help us Fight High Gas Prices - Register To Become A Member
Find the lowest gas prices in your area
Write to your state and federal elected reps
Contact the FTC if you suspect price fixing (or your state's attorney general)
Contact the SEC if you suspect market manipulation
I think we should focus our energies on alternatives, which both you, doc, and I have mentioned. I lived for years, and likely will again, in an oil-free house, off the grid, etc (though I did use batteries).
Noneof this will be easy or pain-free. On an individual level, we can also drive as little as possible.
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