
From the McCain website:
Help spread the word about John McCain on news and blog sites. Your efforts to help get the message out about John McCain's policies and plan for the future is one of the most valuable things you can do for this campaign. You know why John McCain should be the next President of the United States and we need you to tell others why.
Select from the numerous web, blog and news sites listed, go there, and make your opinions supporting John McCain known. Once you've commented on a post, video or news story, report the details of your comment by clicking the button below. After your comments are verified, you will be awarded points through the McCain Online Action Center.
I'll bet the DailyKos is having fun with those trolls.
Isn't it dangerous? The Mcteam sending it's supporters over to 'liberal' sights. They might get educated...and switch.
#1.1 - That would assume the ability to read and think critically so, not much worry there...
That would assume the ability to read and think critically so, not much worry there
I have no real use for the Kossacks myself (I started an account over there and left because of the echo), but it seems hardly fair to criticize them and leave out the equal percentage of those on the right who also lack the capacity. The distribution of zealotry to critical thinking is not correlated to political opinion: we just tend to forgive or not notice the poor thinking of people whose opinions we agree with.
For every Kossack, I'll see you a Freeper.
Freed and TBone *LOL* I have to agree with AdipicAcid in principle. There's nothing worse than being in a discussiion with several people only to have the "weak link" on your side: the one who believes because they believe. While there seems to be a preponderance over on the right for some reason (I wonder why...) the liberal side also has their share of the intellectually lazy..
So, anyone have any ideas on who's going to win the Presidential election?
You fellows are correct. Not to over generalize, but my experience has been similar. They are all starry eyed robots that can't follow along with any given topic. Whenever you attempt to pin them down on a position or tangible fact, they just retort with generalized Jesus statements or bible quotes. It is very frustrating to say the least.
they just retort with generalized Jesus statements or bible quotes
Which is great. My alma mater was nominally Presbyterian and still had a required religion class when I attended. (It may still, I haven't checked.) The most marvelous thing about many people who sling Bible quotes to justify their preconceived notions is that they usually haven't read the thing*: they just sling the quotes that their indoctrinators have repeated to them. Bringing context usually confounds them pretty badly. The idea that someone would think about the Bible, rather than robotically repeat a few highlights from memory is actually frightening to them.
*I myself will admit to skimming the begats. For that section I adopted Einstein's dictum: "I do not memorize that which I can look up."
"make your opinions supporting John McCain known. "
That's not spamming. I be surprised if the other candidates haven't done similarily.
Indeed, Cletus.
No, it's not spamming. It's more like trolling when it's done on sites that you'd typically not ever venture on to.
I'm all for more people, of all persuasions, to participate.
They might learn some relevant things. I know I have.
That's not spamming. I be surprised if the other candidates haven't done similarily.
True, but it's still funny that he's commanding people to do this, and it smacks of desperation.
Compare to the Ron Paul campaign and it's large cadre of independent websites, who even engineered the Guy Faux day fundraiser. Ron Paul never even commented on it until after it actually happened.
He had a true grassroots, bottom-up campaign.
Mccain wants a bottom up campaign, but he thinks he can accomplish it by commanding people to do things. All it does is show he hasn't a clue, whereas, for example Paul is knowledgeable/relevant enough that his book "The Revolution: A Manifesto" addressed this exact topic and and hit #1 on NYTimes bestseller list.
I don't see it as an order, but a suggestion. Checking what Obama suggests.
Closest thing they have is phonebank, email 10 friends, join local grassroots groups. Darn, my point fails until someone finds an example.
Jivatman:
You make a good point. Obama and Paul both have the kind of grassroots enthusiasm that they just have to channel. They bury these kind of volunteer tools deep on their websites which are heavily trafficked because of the number of supporters they have that want to help. McCain, IMO, looks somewhat desperate in telling anyone who looks at his website what he wants his supporters to do.
Or, just realizing that many McCain supporters haven't yet figured out what most? Obama supporters already are familiar with, the value of these boards.
If this is how McCain is going to tackle Internet campaigning, I suggest that he abandon it. This will only cause more damage to his campaign by his supporters being widely viewed as spammers rather than legit volunteers, akin to that woman running around Newsvine urging people to go to that site and lobby delegates to vote for Hillary Clinton even though she has lost everything under the sun. McCain should, perhaps, run a system using phone calling and more traditional communications. It would be more effective than this.
OK.. Got you all signed up, did you get your points yet from the McCain Online Action Center.?
Whoa...If you go to the site, there are several hundred sites to choose from, its unreal, we are not one of them,,,whew !
we are not one of them,,,whew !
Thank goodness for that, we have enough problems with trolls and troll-like behavior!
I am painfully aware of them...ugh...
Can't he just lure the Ronbots from Digg over to the dark side to do his bidding? I'm sure they miss spamming their blather all over the web.
I am sure we can hack this. Sign up, post our own "pro-McCain" posts (I know he has changed his position on this issue repeatedly, but I am sure he stands firmly behind his position now...) and then we can collect free Mcbumper stickers, and modify them with our favorite sharpie!
Maybe we can send our spammers that are always trying to sell Viagra and Geritol over to McCains site, they might find more support over there...
Whoa...If you go to the site, there are several hundred sites to choose from, its unreal, we are not one of them,,,whew !
Yet I think a few of them found their way here
Plenty of them find there way here,,,,they keep us very busy..
Tedd,
Viagra and Geritol
Sounds like the infamous "Senior Speedball"...
Geritol, the worlds only vitamin with alcohol...
Here you go old buddy McCain :-)
頭を突き合わせてくださいマークマケイン
Translation please?
I did a poor cut and paste jog that did not work to well....It should have said "McCain, Please Don't Spam Us", but I messed up with the cut and paste job, so it came out looking like a mess......
That one could get deleted. Google Translator says it means:
"Please head-to-face MAKUMAKEIN" So....I backfired.....opps
"Please head-to-face MAKUMAKEIN"
A newsvine Classic.
MAKUMAKEIN?
over my head.
MAKUMAKEIN
That is what happened to McCains name when it got translated in Google Translator to Japanese and then back....opps...
That is what happened to McCains name when it got translated in Google Translator to Japanese
LOL. Makumakein-san.
Ah, thanks for the explanation. Now I get it, LOL.
I can see it now... Newsviners will be referring to McCain as MAKUMAKEIN from now on. d:
I fully support John McCain's idea of getting his message out to sites such as these and not just because I'm being paid by the Republican Party. No, the real reason I'm getting the word out is because I believe in the Iraq war, same-sex marriage, and a free "John McCain Bumper Sticker".
Nearing, I am shocked that you are insinuating that McCain wants his supporters to Spam on-line blogs. I am so appalled, I will be repeating this comment 100 times on every political web site I see to prove you wrong.
She is not insinuating anything, She is stating a fact, That is right off of McCains web sties that will cost companies millions of dollars to clean up the unwanted junk mail and slow down the entire networks because of it.
I very poor use of the Internet. Not everyone wants nor cares what he has to say.
I am so appalled, I will be repeating this comment 100 times on every political web site I see to prove you wrong.
LOL!
are you on my friends list yet?
She is not insinuating anything, She is stating a fact,
That's true, Tedd, I am.
And I *think* Sgt. Pepper is being funny.
It's all good.
I was doing my "sneaky, very tough to catch humor" and agreeing...
I very poor use of the Internet
Notice the perfect command of the English language skills, like most spammers....you have to look real close at my wording some times :-)
Great. On one hand the Federal government is prosecuting and getting long prison time for spammers.
On the other hand, you have a man running for President who actually ENCOURAGES spamming.
This is going to generate more bad publicity for McCain than good.
Reason # 12 from my recent article 'Why the Republicans WON'T Win the Presidency in November' is this:
'Obama Has Better Communication With Voters'.
McCain has spam.
you will be awarded points through the McCain Online Action Center.
lol
Well, can't say it's stupid of the McCain campaign to promote this. I admire that McCain camp is interested in utilizing the publicity power in internet advertising.
True, but spamming is sort of on the "dark side" of utilizing the internet.
I don't see it so much as spamming as just trying to get McCain supporters to try and educate the undecideds. It's not like there are set messages you're supposed to employ repeatedly, they're just being asked to discuss their support for McCain - not just in person but on the internet too.
Need some type of quickie auto-reply for these potential 'McSpammers'.
HEY! I just invented a name for anyone who does this!
Webster's International defines 'McSpammers' as:
'...any person or entity posting junk messages supporting the Presidential campaign of John McCain. (Republican)
And 12 hrs later there is already 100 Google results for that term, GOOD JOB!
You go, Robert!
woot, woot.
Whoa, just think whats gonna be on iTunes soon McJammers are McSpamming for McCain
@arcanebliss, #5.2: I would agree, except the idea of the movement is (to quote McCain's website):
"Select from the numerous web, blog and news sites listed here, go there, and make your opinions supporting John McCain known. Once you've commented on a post, video or news story, report the details of your comment by clicking the button below. After your comments are verified, you will be awarded points through the McCain Online Action Center."
Which is fine and dandy as long as the comments pertain to the post, video, or news story. Otherwise, it's completely irrelevant.
Spam: Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.
Which I'm sure we all know what it is; I'm just placing the generic definition for easy access for people like me who like being technical. ;) While the definition focuses on email, posts and comments on sites have become no exception.
In conclusion, unless if McCain supporters are incredibly sly and manage to keep on topic with whatever they're commenting on while promoting McCain (which I would still see as holding spam undertones), it's just spam to the rest of us.
Tippecanoe and Tyler too..
Oh wait, I guess I'm a little late for that one.....
I was much younger then....
Tippecanoe and Tyler too..
remind me what that's from...
From about 1840.... :)
William Henry Harrison ran for president and became ninth one.
Tippecanoe and Tyler Too was his campaign slogan.
William Henry Harrison was the hero of the Battle of Tippecanoe and John Tyler was his Vice President.
Oh yeah, sure, I remember now.
:O)
I am not quite sure that this can qualify as spamming. A large portion of the political debate in this country resides on the web and it does seem like the most crucial election of a lifetime to many people regardless of what side they might be on.
Are you saying that the McCain supporters shouldn't post positive things about their candidate? I personally don't go to over to conservative websites and post on behalf of Obama but I have a life. Would it be wrong if some of us who feel that Obama gets misrepresented by the Right go on a conservative website and try to defend our views? I am just not sure I would stop anybody from doing that even though I think it's a little creepy.
I thought the Obama campaign was already doing this. I have had to delete at least 10 emails a day from the "Pied Piper" campaign.
It seems a bit hypocritical that Obama supporters are so supportive of their candidate's success on the internet yet when an opponent wants to spread his message it is spam?
Ah, the young! I remember when I was young and gullible.
muckingfess
I thought the Obama campaign was already doing this.
Source?
It seems a bit hypocritical that Obama supporters are so supportive of their candidate's success on the internet yet when an opponent wants to spread his message it is spam?
Voters who are pro and anti Obama both tend to support the campaigns revolutionary efforts to harness internet advertising power, the support isn't just exclusive to your typical Obama supporter. I am an Obama supporter and earlier in this comment thread stated that it is smart that McCain is asking that his supporters chat about their support with others.
Lets try to not generalize here.
working on my "free" mcbumper sticker right now, or I should say my mcspambot is.
Will get right on it McBush, although learned from another seed yesterday about my procrastination problem. Will put it on my list of priorities, NOT.
The mark of McTroll.
This is McCain's way of trying to make his supporters into the Internet users that many of Obama's supporters are. However, trying to regulate it openly on his website will likely make him look like a spammer more than anything else.
I think this is probably the only rational answer in this "debate". The abuse that both sides heave upon one another only serves to fill the pockets of cable news agencies that make their living off of the constant fighting between the constituencies of both parties.
As for the candidates, after we are threw calling each other names they will go out to dinner together and have a good expensive meal; Divide and conquer
OK I guess the fact that he is asking them to respond to blogs is what makes it like spamming. Thanks for clarifying that.
Hetep and Respect NEARING, this is my first time visiting the McCain web site. The good news is, that compared to Obama, McCain is computer illiterate. If you compare the web sites the Republicans have lost the election before they leave the starting gate.
The bad news is that many Americans will be fooled by this life long anti-humanist's "patriotism" video and time line.
Political Points for targeted spam, that's different, but Republican.
I don't know about the computer illiteracy part, but Obama's is the only one of the three with a section devoted to foreign policy. Obama's site has much more content.
Hetep and Respect Cletus Wilbury, You are right about his foreign policy section and the general content of his technology head quarters (Web site). He is also the only one with a Digital vision.
I don't know about the computer illiteracy part
Think about it, everyone I know over 50 years old is computer illiterate. Hillary and Bush/McClain are included in that group. The only reason Hillary knows her URL, is because Obama demonstrated one aspect of his digital vision teaching his competitors about the new way to independently fund political office.
Every technologist should be motivated to vote Obama because he wins on technology issues hands down among other things.
"everyone I know over 50 years old is computer illiterate."
You probably don't know too many people over 50. I'm 53, 20 years as a software engineer. Signed up for cable modem 1st day it was available in my area. I don't know many over 60, though, even including bosses I had in the computer industry. (see the guy with the pointy hair in Dilbert)
I am 51. I wirewrapped my first 6502 computer before there were any, same with the 8080 back in High School (1974) and programmed it myself in Machine language, then CP/M, Altair BASIC, 86-DOS ,...every MS Product, Every Apple. Same with my brother (he is 62)
However my Dad at 84...now that is a whole different story...Zero computer knowledge and does not want any.
Tedd:
Graduate in 1974?
Yeap...That was my year. Oakton High School, Class of 74.
everyone I know over 50 years old is computer illiterate
I'm almost 60, first computer was an Atari 800, first modem was a 110 baud that plugged into the game port.
I don't know anyone under the age of 60 that doesn't have a computer and use the internet.
Atari 800
I loved my 800....That thing was awesome.....Seemed like the ultimate computer to me, glad I want for that one instead of the 400 with those horrible keys.
The "real" keys were the selling point for me.. The 400 felt like a toy.
Apple, Commodore and Atari were MUCH better computers for home use then.
Remember the "Peanut" IBM's first foray into the home market? What an awful mess!!!
Ugh...Peanut...The Famous PCjr what a waste of $700 for Chiclet keys, a thing that looked like Mattel made it, and everyone else's computer would run all of IBM's software and the Peanut would only run some of it..Great invention...
Have you ever seen the new museum in California ? I donated some of my old stuff, like my KayPro and old Osbourne is down there, a TRS-80, its a cool place
Does McCain realize that most of his supporters don't know how to spam on the internet?
He's going to have all those old folks covering their PCs with Spam. He must have friends in Big-PC Repair.
lol
hahahahaha. Nice.
Apparently McCain doesn't know that spamming websites & blogs isn't a good way to spread information. It is a good way to annoy people and have the owners block those IP addresses.
McCain America is good. High five! Vote McCain John November good. Balls.
Astroturfing at it's finest.
pseudocode.
if referrer = johnmccain.com then redirect [some horrible place, maybe foxnews.com or goatse.]
Still, Mrs. Clinton's claim that she is best positioned to win the "hard-working Americans, white Americans" has become the linchpin of her argument that she is more electable than Mr. Obama.
But Mr. Teixeira, who is not backing either candidate, does not buy that argument. He dismisses intraparty contests as "pretty poor evidence" of whether Mr. Obama, as the Democratic nominee, could attract the blue-collar support he would need against Senator John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee.
No Majority Needed
And how much blue-collar support would Mr. Obama need? Not a majority, said Mr. Teixeira. Though blue-collar Democrats once represented a centerpiece of the New Deal coalition, they have shrunk as a proportion of the information age-economy and as a proportion of the Democratic base.
Al Gore lost working-class white voters by 17 percentage points in 2000, even while winning the national popular vote. Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts lost them by 23 points in 2004, while running within three points of President Bush over all. Mr. Teixeira suggests that Mr. Obama can win the presidency if he comes within 10 to 12 percentage points of Mr. McCain with these voters, as Democratic candidates for the House did in the 2006 midterm election.
In recent national polls, that is exactly what Mr. Obama is doing. A recent Washington Post/ABC News poll showed Mr. Obama trailing by 12 percentage points with working-class whites; a poll by Quinnipiac University, showed him trailing by seven points. In each survey, Mr. Obama led over all by seven points.
What will it take for the democrats to actually get the vote of those they are working for? If the republicans can get their vote by screwing them, but being anti-gay bigots, can't Obama and the democrats get their vote by continuing to fight for them and taking up a banner issue like______?
Really bizzare - posted the above to "Obama "is...where he needs to be" with white, working-class voters to win the White House in November" story and it ended up here? That ever happen to anyone else?
That ever happen to anyone else?
Weird things have happened like this, but I have managed to scramble and get out of the mess in the last second. Yesterday I clicked on publish, but the site began to load an article I had previously visited.
Freed, things are strange this past week at the Vine. I am not surprised that happened to you.
You should go to the top of the page and click the 'report a bug' button on the right side.
Tell them what happened.
Yesterday I clicked on publish, but the site began to load an article I had previously visited.
That would be so embarrassing, if NV published one of my "Republicans in Bondage" sites I visit as one of my seeds.
nearing,
OK, just reported it, but more amusing than anything.
Check
Does McCain realize that most of his supporters don't know how to spam on the internet?
"Republicans in Bondage"
Reported as Risky Business around this place:
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Prohibited Conduct for a person of your age or assumed mental state.
The following non-exhaustive list describes the kinds of illegal or harmful conduct that are prohibited on our Site. You agree not to upload, post or otherwise transmit any User Content that:
* is unlawful, un-American, anti-Newsvine, spammy in nature, stupid, harmful, threatening, abusive, upsetting, mildly annoying, talks at all about global warming, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, mentions Paris, Britney, Hannah or Amy, obscene, libelous, talks about human body parts or functions, labeled "Hot-Chicks", known to be false and presented as truth, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.
Hope this helps and Please, enjoy your stay !
ToS for Newsvine
What be the ToS?
Hope this helps and Please, enjoy your stay !
LOL!!!
What be the ToS?
Terms of Service or "Contract"
Tedd,
You agree not to upload, post or otherwise transmit any User Content that:
* is unlawful, un-American, anti-Newsvine, spammy in nature, stupid, harmful, threatening, abusive, upsetting, mildly annoying, talks at all about global warming, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, mentions Paris, Britney, Hannah or Amy, obscene, libelous, talks about human body parts or functions, labeled "Hot-Chicks", known to be false and presented as truth, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.
Hmmm that's the ToS they gave you huh? I think that one is reserved for special users like yourself,
mine reads like this;
You may upload, post or otherwise transmit any User Content that:
* is unlawful, un-American, anti-Newsvine, spammy in nature, stupid, harmful, threatening, abusive, upsetting, mildly annoying, talks at all about global warming, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, mentions Paris, Britney, Hannah or Amy, obscene, libelous, talks about human body parts or functions, labeled "Hot-Chicks*", known to be false and presented as truth, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable. And thank you for honoring us with your content.
*please send copies of these posts directly to Calvin Tang for review.
I would say that is almost perfect. The only minor change I might change would be:
And thank you for honoring us with your content.
Above in Bold, no Question !
*please send copies of these posts directly to Calvin Tang for review.
I think I would add Emily also, plus make sure to include both home and work email address and phone numbers
Other then that ! Whoa...Spammers beware !
What do the McSpam points get people? LOL this is so pathetic, it's funny - let's hope Newsvine does NOT get added to that list! Good find!!
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